The 450/400 is a great Double--4000 ftpnds energy, great SD, and penetration. The 375 H&H shooting solids penetrates well with a SD of .305 and is a decent Ele slayer but still is not a great Ele charge stopper--presumably secondary to less "knock out" punch or momentum.

If we try to objectively compare the 450/400 with the minimum 458 Wm 500 gr load that seems an Ele charge stopper-500 gr @ ~2100(4900 ftpnds of energy) by the Kinetic Pulse theory we get relative values of 45% more "whack" with the 458 load. The 375 computes out to 15% less "whack" than the 450/400.

Is this reality or just numbers? Who knows?

Is the 450/400 a bonafide Ele stopper?? No doubt it is a fine killer but can it stop an adrenalized charging Ele? What does past experience and records suggest?

What do members of this forum think? Would you face an Ele charge with it or hunt with something else?