Ten years ago they were the talk of the SCI convention and everyone was interested. The price has driven most off, and the real "need" drove a few more off. ......But, I have both handled and fired them, and find little lacking but a bigger checkbook balance. They do balance for their weight, do not hurt, are accurate, and fit me fine. On top of that, they are an excellent piece of workmanship. ..........Just not everyone's cup of tea or price range! ~Arctic~