| DUGABOY1 |
| (.400 member) |
| 01/01/06 06:00 AM |
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Re: EXTRACTOR Rifles for Dangerous Game
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I really haven't encountered a situation where I had to reload my DR at top speed.
On the other hand, with what little wingshooting experience I have, I find ejectors help with getting back into battery. I've used both ejectors and extractors on my shotguns. I'll take ejectors over extractors. Now let me say that a shotgun shell isn't going to slide out of the chamber like a tapered brass shell. You've got to give them a tug.
The above is why I'm reluctant to advise the use of a double barreled shotgun to practice quick reloads. The use of all brass shells helps some but shot shells generally do not slide out easily, and are too large, and difficult to place between the fingers for the quick re-charge of the chambers. The flat point doesn't help either. Rifle cartridges are far more streamlined, and are much better for this purpose.
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John Taylor wrote that he favored extractors. His reason was the sound of the ejector. He went to great length to explain that DG quarry generally will not locate the hunter from the sound of the shot. He was emphatic that the DG quarry would instantly pinpoint the "ping" of an ejector, and the hunter could thereby meet his Maker. He went so far as to say that his practice was to disable ejectors in any rifle so equipped. In summary, my point is that he was not basing his conclusion on the speed of reloading, but on the silence of that operation. That's a totally different criteria from what is being discussed here. As an aside, let me say I can't explain why an elephant would be confused by a rifle shot but would pinpoint the sound of an ejector. Taylor was of strong conviction on that point.
I believe the silence is a key to not haveing to reload so fast to take more than one animal, which was Taylor's purpose. Stopping a charge is a different matter. His need to take as many elephant as he could in close relation to each other was not hendered by the very matalic sound of brass "PINGING" against each other in flight from the rifle. The sound of a rifle shot is not matalic, nor is it foreign to elephant! Elephant feeding in trees can be heard from a mile away by deaf shooters. The breaking of large branches, and even snapping off of tree trunks, sounds exactly like rifle shots. This is not a bother to other animals, in the area either, and you don't see any animal fleeing the sounds of those cracks! Simply rack the bolt on a rifle, or bang against the steel on the bakki,in that same area, and see how many Ele you see, within a mile, in two minutes, along with every other animal within hearing.
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But it sure makes my curious mind wonder why the great British makers of large bore DR's persisted in putting ejectors on them if ejectors were sure death in a fray.
The Britts installed them on their rifles in about the same ratio as they do today, and the ejectors are disabled in just about the same ratio as at the turn of the 20th century. If they are available I always will buy a double with ejectors, then disable them on big bore doubles. Some of the smaller rifles I leave them. 450 is right, however, they are a pain in the ass in most cases, especially on the fireing range. The reason I will buy them over the extractor rifle is, they can be disabled, but an extractor can't easily be made into an ejector rifle. The fact that the rifle has ejectors, may be the only thing that sells the rifle when I'm ready to sell it.
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One last thing about Taylor. Through most of his book he bad-mouths single triggers. I agree. I hate them. I have little or no experience compared to Taylor, but DT's are hard-wired into my brain stem. If I shoot a ST gun the first shot goes off, then I find myself yanking the rear of the trigger guard. I think Taylor would have done this with a vengence.
I, also, do not like single triggers, even on shotguns. Like you, I also find myself pulling at the back of the trigger guard. That is not the real reason I will NOT have a single trigger on a dangerous game double. Here I will be hearing about all the compition guys who use them for thousands of rounds without a malfunction, but that doesn't hold water, they may never break on a double rifle either, but if they do, JUST ONCE, you are left with a 10 lb club, instead of a single shot rifle! NOW, I ask you which would you rather with an EL closeing on you fast, a 10 lb club, or a big bore single shot rifle?
A clay pigeon flying off into the brush, isn't going to hurt anyone. 
Now! I'll open another can of worms here, THE AUTO SAFETY
I will not have one on a double of mine, that is used for a DGR! In reply to:
Submitted in dark ignorance,
Curl
I don't believe that Curl! Nobody that has owned as many fine double rifles as you could be in the dark on their features, or their use! One doesn't have to go to Africa to learn to use a double rifle on game, and in many cases, like hog hunting, re-load fast to take more than one animal out of a mob! Australia is not the only place where there are big mobs of wild boar to be had with a double. Hell there are thousands of them in East Texas, alone, with no bag limit!