I tend to agree with 500grains on this speed shooting issue because one or two well placed shots up close count for a lot more when actually protecting yourself than a speed shoot on 3 pumpkins at 50 yards. Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger who hunted down Bonnie and Clyde, was in enough gunfights in his career to have had to shoot over 60 bad guys...he always said to take your time and AIM no matter what the bad guy is doing.

Also my guess is that if you whack a charging animal that isn't on your license (or for that matter a person) from 50 yards, no court or jury will consider that self defense.

I also suspect that nobody on this forum has seen either of those guys shoot, and some guys on this forum probably have talent that is quite a bit beyond either of those guys.

Having written articles for magazines, I noticed that manuscripts get edited and frequently sound nothing like what was submitted...also writers are frequently handed a topic and told to do it, and a lot of them will do it exactly as the editor requests. Also when you see products mentioned in an article, look at the ads in the publication that month and the next month...

Richard