The .408 to .416 doubles have great sectional density and therefore great penetration, even if velocities are down around 2100 fps. My .450/.400 is a 3 1/4"... As with Rusty's anatomy, he seems to like shorter stuff than me!

E-mail me at properfistmele@hotmail.com and I can turn you onto a couple of really nice quality .450/.400's that I have seen and are for sale at a good price.