was up in north carolina on business stopped buy sovereign guns in fuqay and they had a whole lower shelf of old boxed 500/ 450 looked pretty forgotten. i did not talk to them about it as not to call attention to it since i don't have a rifle. figured someone might want to try to work a deal on some since their like gold on the kynoch sight these people have a website i believe its sovereignguns.com 919-557-3080