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Hi Bob, Got into Dixons European sporting cartridges pg 100 & the 11.5x51.5R Target is about the closest comparison I have come up with so far ------Casting------- 11.5x51.5R Bullet dia.----- .442-------- .453 Neck dia.------ .462-------- .480 Case length--- 2.040-------- 2.028 Rim dia.------- .590-------- .598 Base dia.------ .503-------- .503 GSP53: Lorenz case #182 shown only in the 1886 Export catalog as a target cartridge, dimensions taken from the catalog and are only approximations. Hope this may be of some help m4220 Mike |