My "budget" was 18k, but $20k is do-able.

I've spent an aweful lot of time shooting a 375 h&h. One customized pre-64 win model 70 that just fits perfectly, recoil is really not bad and shoots like a dream. The other is a Ruger #1 right off the shelf. Oh Lordy what a difference. That thing makes me think a little bit. Also shoot a model 70 338 win mag a good bit. One of my "kings of recoil" is a 6 pound Kimber 325 wsm (mountain rifle). It is borderline aweful - a really fast hard kick that puts the scope in your face, but I shoot it very well - it takes concentration, but I have shot 4 inch groups at 400 yards with it and 1.5" groups at 200. This thing uses about 65 grains of reloader 17. Thats alot of powder in a little bitty gun.

What I'm saying is - I have some medium sized magnum rifles and can shoot them at least decently. I want a big one. Needed? Absolutely not. I'll never argue that... I doubt I can be talked out of it and do realize yall are trying to talk some sense into me. I'll sign a waiver if ya'll will keep giving me advice - hehehe. I really appreciate all of the input. I am learning all the time. I do need to catch up with some folks and try a few guns before I buy.

Oh yeah, and I have seen an angry bear in Canada that was shot WELL... I'll never forget that. Can't imagine how a poorly shot bear could act.

I don't think I've ever posted anywhere that gave me this much input so quickly. I REALLY appreciate it. Thank ya'll for talking me out of this particular Italian gun and giving me the heads up on the Cogswell.

Nitrosteel