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Lilguy, You might look at the Verny-Carron doubles . I do not have any personal experience with them (I do own Chapuis and Heym), but I have read lots of positive reviews on them . I also looked at them at SCI last year. They are top notch guns !!! They make an O/U in a 450/400 3" for around $7000.00 . You can reload for all the doubles and do it a lot cheaper than buying the factory ammo. Just a matter of finding a load that will regulate in your gun. Robert |