| DUGABOY1 |
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| 12/04/11 08:10 AM |
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Re: Is the 500/416 dead?
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Whether or not I have loaded for DR's and their ctgs. really has nothing to do with this thread or the credibiltiy of the statements made.
I'll answer your question though - Yes I have loaded Nitro Express ammo for DR's, unlike many people who've owned the rifles for many years. No, I've never owned one.
Seems to me, many people own them and don't load for them- know nothing about such a venture - all voodoo to them. How many back in 1900 loaded their own ammo - NONE!, I don't own but I load - what's the point on this? There is none really - moot is the word for this - no credibiltiy to the point really, merely an attempt at bullying or something - I'm too old to bully - or something?
Daryl,Mac here! I suppose that was aimed at 4seventy, and me as well, and I plead guilty to asking but not to bullying, 4seventy can speak for himself! In my case it was simply a question. I don't bully, simply because I hate bullies on the Internet. As far as loading for double rifles today I think if you want a double rifle to act the way it is supposed to you will handload for it, and the fact that it cuts the very high cost is only a plus. I'm sure 4seventy loads for his, but I can tell you I have loaded for every firearm I have owned 9 the being almost ever type of rifle ever made except rim fire, since I was 17 yrs old, and I'm 74 today.
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At the start of this thread, you or someone else jumped on me for saying the .416/500 was a low pressure round - which wrongly grew into a heated discussion on loading, pressures, etc. Not sure how that happened or why it did, but it did, unfortunately. It is indeed a low pressure round compared to modern ie: post 1900 bolt actioned rounds. What's the problem? This is common knowledge. You then stated there were no high pressure rounds chambered in DR's - oops - you forgot about the .375H&H and .458WM - so what - we all make mistakes - memories with old age? - it happens.
Daryl Mac again! You are correct it is low pressure compared to most bolt rifle cartridges, and "IS" a modern double rifle cartridge for modern double rifles. I never said otherwise. All I said it can't be compared to the cartridges or rifles that were made originally for Cordite ammo. I DID NOT forget the 375H&H & 458 Win Mag, so I have no idea who that accusation is aimed at. It seems you are posting to several people here, with a post that gives the idea that all this is pointed at me. That is the only reason I'm replying to your post here.
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The 416/500 is a 'modern, low pressure round of Nitro Express design. It was designed and is chambered in modern double rifles - it didn't become popular and is only chambered in one or perhaps 2 makes of DR's - what's the problem?
There are many modern bolt actioned rounds that never became popular - were only chamberd in one or 2 makes of rifles and never 'caught on'. They were good rounds that didn't make it. Oh well. If someone wants something badly enough, they can have it - the wonders of money - that's all it takes.
Need more coffee.
Again you are correct, there are many rounds over the years that were good designs that failed simply because it was not what folks wanted at the time. Unfortunately the 500/416K is one of them! I know a couple of double rifle owners who have rifles so chambered, and they love them. For me personally I simply do not particularly like any of the .416 cartridges be they for bolt or double rifle. That however is a personal thing.
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Edited to correct some mistakes mostly spelling - it happens& I probably missed some - oh well.
Oh yeah - why did I say they were obsolete? - not all are - BUT - how many or which ctgs. are not being loaded in modern made rifles DR's or whatever?
I have absolutely no idea who the above is aimed at! Anyone who has ever read more than ten sentences written by me can tell you I have no business telling anyone how to spell!
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How much ammo is being sold for a .600 Nitro, .577 Nitro, .500/416 Nitro? The current 'laws' of what is declared obsolete or popular, relate almost entirely to the amount of ammo sold for a given round and how many new rifles today are being built for and chambered for those rounds. NUMBERS declare what is obsolete in today's society.
Whether a round is declared obsolete or not matters very little - if you have something you like and you load for it, then for you it isn't obsolete, is it.
Whether a ctg. is obsolete or not, as I noted, has nothing to do with it's capabilities or accemptance by an aging population of shooters - it has to do with #'s only. Don't fret the little stuff. It doesn't matter and it grows ulcers.
The above has nothing to do with me! You are correct that many take numbers sold to declare something obsolete, but in today’s market where double rifles are concerned as long as components are readily available a cartridge is NOT obsolete. There are many however that are obsolete, that are still being shot, and hunted with every day. They are obsolete because the only way to shoot them is to MAKE CASES, and sometimes BULLETS for them because no factory components are available.
If I personally upset you then I apologize, I certainly did not mean to! I was simply clarifying some points that others seem to have missed.