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Hello Damien me mate. As you probably know Bruce is semi retired (a pity) and I'm just an old stirrer from way back. He did say once that he had never made more than break even from those big projects he did and that jewelers were much better clients as they just transferred the costs onward. BTW I retired from Defence, the Australia Council for the Arts and went into the heritage business doing conservation management plans/ predictive mapping. My hands are partly crippled with arthritis (too many broken bones) so I can't swing a graver any more. Vettore has finished the Martini and A. Henry and they're with Ron Croxon for a tickle. Send me a PM with phone and addie so I can call by to show you. Stirring as usual Rick |