Hi Ray,I was thinking the same thing. Between that or looking more for somthing in .458 cal. As I'm leaving for Zim soon, it's a little late in the game for me to switch D/G rifles anyway's.. If he still has it when I get back and I've gathered a little more smarts about doubles, I will try to beat him down. I have still yet to see this rifle let alone lay my hands on her......450