I'm with you, Andreas - guess Pierce was hunting illegally when he shot 2 CAPE buffalo with a .45/70 Marlin, with one weak-kneed 400gr. factory solid (both buffalo = 4 shoulders) a load that can be dulicated with a Trapdoor Springfield at 22,000PSI.

I didn't know Dugaboy was as old as he says - but do know he is talking nonsense in much of his posting on this subject.

Just because the .375 is legal for some game in some regions the .45/70, he says, is not, doesn't mean anything to this thread - or any other thread. We are talking about ballistics here and a comparrison between the '06 and the .45/70, as laoded in the Baikal as well as hunting in North America and here, the .45/70, within the range MOST hunters should be restricting themselves to, if a better killer on big game than the .30/06 - there really is no comparrison.

It is interesting Frank C. Barnes said about the .45/70 - "Can be loaded to deliver very impressive knockdown on our heaviest species of big game" he didn't say that about the .30/06, nor the .375 - interesting.

Granted he was talking about loads for the Winchester M86 - Today, those ballistics are well within the relm of the weak actioned .45/70s.

Just because the round dates back to 1873, is no reason to continue using 1873 loads in it - especially when we have powders that render it on the same playing field with great, modern and some not so modern rounds, like the .375H&H.