Dugaboy, I can only speak to the part of your rant I think was aimed at me, but if you had shot my .45-70 load and the .375 in game and done extensive testing as I have, you would speak differently. Both by test and when shot in game, the Lee 402HP in a heavy load is no "normal" .45-70 bullet. I've shot enough game and done enough testing with both to stand by my statement.

Obviously you have no experience with it.

As for brush busting, I basically agree with you, except by test and in the field I have seen heavy bullets kill where light frangible ones broke up on scrub. This is not to state that I trust in "brush busting", but merely to state the obvious; a standard-construction 100 grain .243 bullet may come apart in shards in brush that only smears a heavy .45-70, .458, .500 Nitro, etc bullet. I lost an impala to a .375 cal 300 grain Hornady that went to pieces on a small tree I didn't see so I am not going to say ANY caliber is brushproof. You and I basically agree there.

Both the .30-06 and .375 H&H are more versatile cartridges than are the .45-70, obviously. The .45-70 in heavy loads is yet a close range proposition. The .375 H&H is not limited to the ranges the .45-70 is.

The .45-70 is not a .458 Win, Lott or Watts Mag. It is not a .500 Nitro. It is not a 30mm Bofors.

It is, with heavy loads and select bullets, the equal of the .375 H&H Mag on game at close ranges.