I got a used 470 (extractor model) last spring for $7000. It belonged to a friend so I knew it was in great condition and it shot well. The 470 for $6700 I think was at first stop gun and listed on Guns America. I hear they are a reputable company to do business with, as a matter of fact, my friend bought the rifle I have from First stop guns. There are some new extractor models on GA for around $8500. Keep your eyes peeled and eventually one will turn up! Im keeping my eyes open for a good deal on a merkel 500 myself! Good luck!