It seems I said it was just one old man's opinion. They have masochists in all societies but it is usually considered a psychological disorder by most people. They have eating contests and I don't enter them either although I like to eat as do most people. That seems to be the problem with both extra large bore shooters and double rifle aficianados that they don't seem to appreciate that there are people who have other opinions of both. If I have offended anyone for their desire to abuse themselves in this manner so be it,they are MY views and until I am told I cannot make them known on this forum I shall persent them as I feel like it.