Value for money wise a No.1 AYA s/s shotgun, or any of the top Spanish makers,is damn nigh impossible to beat, 85% of an English best for 20% of the money and if you move up to the highest grade, a No.1 deluxe (actually finished, checkered and engraved in the UK) you have a gun that would be as good as an English best to anybody but an expert. Can't knock it. best, Mike