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I got one these made for my Jeffery. Looks pretty good. I'm going to try it out this weekend. |
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They work well and shop a change in POI with the change in position of the sun or light on most normal front sights. Who did you get to do it ? Did they cut the diamond so the all the light from all angles is refracted directly towards you ? Any chance of a picture ? |
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"Did they cut the diamond so the all the light from all angles is refracted directly towards you?" No, that would cost way too much, it works fine as is. Local watch smith/jewler is also a gunsmith. He knew exactly what I wanted. The original sight was made from steel and the diamond could not be mounted, so he reproduce it in sterling silver on a mini CNC mill. Including the tiny diamond it only cost me $180.00 Photo on the way. |
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I know that Heym offers them, but have yet to see one. You bringing her to Brady in June? |
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Quote: I would have insisted on Platinum. Nothings too good for my Baby. |
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BONANZA We normallydrill a hole in the front sight and set the diamond in there. Look forward to seeing the pic. Mickey - when you find some platinum that refracts light like a dimaond, let me know !!! |
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Here's the one on my Greener .577 x 2 3/4, not brilliant photos but you get the idea: How does that compare with yours, bonanza? |
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Quote: I was referring to the silver sight. |
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Is there a noticeable difference between a flat faced platinum bead and a correctly done diamond sight? |
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Quote: So that "fat lady" has a diamond ring as well. Marrakai you are a true romantic. |
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Bulldog "Is there a noticeable difference between a flat faced platinum bead and a correctly done diamond sight?" Yes. Firstly, IMHO a metal (platinum, Brass etc) sight should NOT be flat but filed to an angle away from you so it reflects the light towards you. However a diamond sight is just superb in that it always "shines", even in the shade of trees. |
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Bonanza Looks good. I can't understand why he couldn't have drilled a small hole in the original sight though. Well done anyway. |
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So who can make a proper Diamond sight? Could I just send them my front sight and they either drill a hole for a correctly cut diamond or duplicate the height/etc and build a new sight? If this is possible then it would mean anyone in the world could do it for me without having to send the whole rifle or even just the barrels. |
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bulldog Get someone to drill out the end of the sight and insert a diamond. There is no need to build a new fron tsight from scratch. Have a look at Marrakai's 577 sight - that's a normal sight that has been drilled out and a diamond inserted. |
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but is the diamond glued inside the hole, so that it stays put? |
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this thread is uncanny Last Thursday I was having a coffee with a Jeweler mate of mine and talking about a diamond front sight.He and I both did the gemmological course together years ago and are both qualified gemologists.As I am moving house I have been selling all my gem books,lab instruments and faceting machine and generally divesting my self of all my gemmo gear. Diamonds ,I know about. Any stone supplier can supply a clean white stone for this purpose,they are not expensive when they are that small they only get expensive when the wife statrs looking at them. Any stone setter or jeweler can set it for you.It aint rocket science.A four claw mount would let in more light than a rubbed setting . good shooting sbs470 |
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SBS 470. what about a CZ ,or saphire or some other semi precious gem like a garnite ? Would a red or green stone in the sight be easier to pickup than a white diamond..?? Al |
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Alan White Diamond are superb - especially when under a canopy of trees. IMHO, I dont think the others would be quite as bright. sbs470 - can you put your location in your profile. |
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Quote: Would a four claw mount hold up? Seems like one would want something more secure. -Steve |
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Al The stones you mention have a lower RI (refractive Index) than diamond Garnet depending on what type 1.69---1.87 Emerald 1.57-1.58 Ruby 1.76-1.77 spinel1.71-1.73 zircon 1.93-1.97 Diamond 2.42 SteveH A claw mount dosent have to be like the wifes engagement ring it can wbe quite strong.I you drilled and ground away half of the cicumfrence leaving 4 claws of steel not gold allowing light to get at the facets below the girdle of the stone The only only front sight I have ever had damaged was when the Lepold bit the bloody thing of and I couldn't get a bead on him so I had to kill him with my knife good shooting sbs470 |
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SBS470,thankyou for your reply. It is good to get a professionals valued opinion on the subject. My thoughts on the saphires,garnets ect was the color might stand out better simular to fibre optic sights. Once again thanks for your reply. Al |
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SBS, Is there a certain cut to ask for to make sure the diamond is cut correctly (light reflected towards the shooters eye as much as possible)? |
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Just a plain old garden variety "Round Brilliant" 68 facets good shooting sbs470 |
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Thanks for the info here. Rustyzipper |
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I was hoping someone had one of these diamond front sights made this week. Any other pictures? Thanks Rustyzipper |
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Quote:I am considering offering diamond fore sights to the trade. What I have in mind is a 2mm round brilliant mounted in a 14K or 18K WG or YG ring bezel. This could be mounted to a customer's sight, or on commercial sights such as NECG or Ruger blades, or Marbles and Williams blades. |
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Carpetsahib, Welcome to NE.com. Your offering sounds interesting. Can you state a price for such work? Thanks, Curl |
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Quote: Greetings, Here are the particulars: These are jewelry grade round brilliants. I would supply stones mounted in a 14k YG bezel, soldered to the customer's front sight. These are the sizes and prices offered for single pieces; volume discounts would be available. Size 2pt = 1.7mm @ $72.00 plus shipping Size 3pt = 2.0mm @ $96.00 plus shipping Size 4pt = 2.25mm @$120.00 plus shipping |
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Carpetsahib Welcome to NE.com What is a YK bezel. For those of us who just hand over money and avoid shopping. |
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I think YG is yellow gold and WG is white gold |
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Quote:Absolutely. These bezels are also available in 18K Yellow and White, as well as Platinum. These more expensive metals would have to be quoted individually. PM me if interested. |
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Which metal would be the strongest and most durable? Do you have any pictures? |
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Quote:I'm working on that. |
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Carpetsahib, have you fitted a diamond in place of a sight bead on a shotgun? I suppose a shotgun bead would require a larger diamond than a rifle sight. That would make my girl friend jealous. That's OK, she will get over it. I think one would look nice on my sporting clays shotgun. |
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Quote:Sure, no problem. Simply use an elongated bead and replace the brass or ivory bead with a diamond. I think a 4 point (2 1/4mm) diamond in 14k bezel would be about right and would be $120. |
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Carpetsahib, Is $120 for the 4 point diamond only or is it the total cost of the diamond mounted to the shotgun rib? |
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That would be total cost for a bead READY TO MOUNT. A gunsmith would probably charge between $20 and %0 for such an installation. |
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Carpetsahib, Last night I had a VERY good night of poker. $$$$ Please email me ordering information for a 4-point diamond bead. My gun is a Winchester O/U Traditional Select. |
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Do you have a picture of these to share with us? Any style would do. I want to get a better visual on how the back of the stone mount looks. Seems like it should be quite effective. Thanks Rusty Z |
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I'm working on a sample right now. I hope to have a photo by the end of the week. |
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I have a holland that has an extra buggered sight.....hmmm sounds perfect. I'm looking forward to seeing these. Steve |
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Just wondering if you made that sample yet? RZ |
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Does anyone know if any of the big gunmakers offer these as an option these days? I know that Christian Ducros has built some guns with ruby front sihts - he prefers them to diamond for some reason - but I wasn;t sure if anyone offers them as a production option. Carpetsahib, Do post some pictures whenever they are ready. Good hunting everyone! |
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mehulkamdar All it tkes is money - pay any of the makers the money and they will do anything for you. By the way, the Picture of the Diamond sight on the previous page. IMHO, it doesn't stick out enough from the metal and doesn't seem to catch the light enough looking at the front on picture. A diamond sight is supposed to shine very brightly regardless of how little light their is. |
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Finally shot my Jeffery with diamond sight. Seems to work fine. Visable, even in the shade. |
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Yes, here is a photo - not a very good one. |
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That was the photo I was interested in. Does the bead protect the outside diameter of the diamond mount well? Thanks for the photo. Rustyzipper |
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Yes, the diamond is set into a recess and a rim of metal (bezel) encircles the edge (girdle) of the stone. The bezel holds the stone securely, while allowing light to have free access. I'm doing a shotgun bead right now for a customer and should have a photo of that project at the end of this week. |
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I would be interested to know how much the perceived size of the diamond front sight changes with varying sunlight. I have tried to shoot guns equipped with the new-fangled fiber optic front sights, and I get nowhere with them. A slight change in the sunlight results in great changes in the appearance of the front sight with a corresponding change in sight picture. Mostly the error is in elevation, which can be absolutely crutial to the shot. I finally decided the "glowing" fiber optic sights are totally worthless. I hope the diamond sight is better than that. Curl |
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Here is a shotgun sight just completed. These will also be available with Yellow Diamond, Ruby or Yellow Sapphire inserts. I don't have pricing just yet on these new options. |
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Here is a rifle sight with a 1.8mm yellow diamond installed. |
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Wow! I like it! |
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Thanks, Here are two more photos. |
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Carpetsahib I am not being negative but how is the diamond supposed to "shine" when the light is coming from the Muzzle end of the gun ? I believe from using them before that not enough of the diamond is stocking out to catch light in low light conditions. |
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Quote:You make a good point concerning back lighting conditions. You would have a similar problem with a platinum or ivory bead as well. It is certainly possible to mount the stone in a shallower setting. It would also be possible to use a tubular mounting that would allow backlight to illuminate the stone from the back side (pavilion). |
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Carpetsahib The WHOLE Point of having a diamond sight is because it is the one thing that will shine BRIGHTLY in all light conditions but ESPECIALLY Back lit situations. And the only way to install the diamond is in a setting that "sticks out" a bit from the setting so it can catch the light from behind and then refract it forward towards the shooter. FYI, the other reason for installing a diamond sight correctly is the sight picture stays the same regardless of where the light comes from - this is not so with a round brass bead and even a brass bead filed down at 45 degrees. If you try it one day, you Point of Impact does change from morning to evening - we have a range here where the sun starts in front and finishes behind us and it is interesting when this was picked up. There is more to Diamond sights that just installing a diamond as I have said in a few posts before. |
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500nitro, Do you have a picture (or could you make a simple drawing) of what you consider an optimal diamond sight? Erik |
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I'll try. I'll even try to get to a couple of guns - one mine, a few belong to others. I can draw how I like it, I can't determine the type or cut of the diamond (? facets if I recall ?) as I'm not a jeweller but they would know which type of cut and what facets to have to refract the light where we want it from any angle. Give me a few days. |
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I'll have to bookmark this for posterity. This is a great thread. I am wondering if you could use the correct size tube in which to mount the stone. Then leave the muzzle end open and cut some windows in the tube top if necessary for more light. Thanks for all the pictures. I see that my 412 and my 1895 45-70 will both need these sights. I will get into some pretty dark brushy places on the hunt. Morning and evening it will be a help to seeing the front sight. Rustyzipper |
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Quote:Certainly, a tube mounting is possible. And yes, it could be windowed, so to speak. Another possibility is to actually use a 4 to 6 prong mounting - but with the real possibility of loss of the stone if it receives a good bash. On the other hand, there is the possibility of using a diamond as a window, as it were, and using ^%*^*&% as a light source. Hmmmmm --- I'll have to give this some thought. |
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Sorry if I asked that question twice. I don't know much about diamonds and how the cut affects the light reflections. RZ |
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I use diamonds with a "Round Brilliant" cut, which has 58 facets. The top of the stone is called the crown and the flat at the top of the crown is called the table. The bottom of the stone is called the pavilion. The girdle is the largest diameter of the stone and is the part that is clamped in the mount. If the stone is properly cut, light enters the diamond through the crown and is totally reflected from the facets in the pavilion and back up throught the crown. This is the principle of "total internal reflection". It is not necessary for light to be transmitted through the pavilion for a stone to "shine" brilliantly. Incident light from the top is generally sufficient. Another thought: for a diamond to perform well, it must be kept clean. Buildup of grease, dirt, funk, whatever - should be thoroughly cleaned off. Junk and trash on the pavilion is also detrimental, since it can eliminate the "total internal reflection" principle. |
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I'm thinking a tube to mount the stone. Maybe just a spray of carb cleaner in the front, let dry, then replace a threaded cap. RZ |
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I agree with you 500 but if you use a tube just lock the front with a screw into the length of the tube. Then remove it to clean with Windex, Carb cleaner or other spray. Dry then reinstall the screw. If the inside of the tube stays bright maybe it will bounce back some lost light. Maybe there is little loss of light. A diamond in brilliant cut seems to be a great multiple prism. Carpetsahib, do those stones lose light behind them if cut right? TIA Rustyzipper |
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Quote:I/m working on a new design that will eliminate most cleaning issues. A round brilliant cut diamond will pass light from back to front, so backlighting is a good idea. However, a correctly cut stone will exhibit total reflection in the case of a light ray coming in the front. The reflected ray then exits the front, exhibiting a spectrum, exactly like a prism. Thus, diamond's incomparable sparkle. Here is another shotgun sight, this time with a blue diamond. |
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Carpetsahib, I'm still saving. RZ |
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Quote: BS, they work really well, far better than brass beads that change the POI due to the different light refraction from the shiny surface depending on where the sun is. |
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More data needed on this topic!!! |
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Anyone order one of these lately? Rustyzipper |
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Quote: - - Quote: Just bringing this back up to the top, hoping 500Nitro might make a drawing or take a picture for us. Erik |
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