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400 NE, Yes, you are right about the oiled cartridges although who knows that the proof-house folks didn't have some measured data around oiled cathridges? But your point on that subject was well taken by this poster. I would like to start this project this spring to build a 450 #2 or perhaps still a 45-120 31/4 and some seem to think that the CZ or huglu 12ga. has worked well,though I did buy this Vapen Depoten Falun from Belgium sxs and wounder if anyone can tell me about it ? Will keep it as a grouse gun if nothing else. I have pictures of the marks on the flats, but can't get them to post, HELP. John |