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Please don't judge. I I wanted to take advantage of one of the newer sabots that I stocked up on. Remington with the Barnes expander. I tend to stay away from sabots because they have so many problems and once you find one that works it goes out of production. That being said, I have done some testing with those specific loads and managed groups as small as 1.5 at 100 with them. They are supposed to be fairly lethal as well but I have yet to personally take game with it. I purchased a few fast twist ER Shaw barrels for a couple of jobs. This gun is getting the second one. It is nice to have a flat shooting gun out to 150 yds or so. I may go back to building a round ball gun but I have to see how this one works out first. Cheers. Tom |