| 450_366 |
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Now it has happen, reading this site made me start building a double rifle.
Hopefully I will get it together before this summer. The donor gun is an old merkel 16 gauge and I will settle for a 45-70 firing a speer 400gr about 550m/s. Anyone that has any experience of this load or similar?
| dale |
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| 03/03/08 03:54 PM |
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Hi 450 366
Please keep us updated with pictures at your progress. Sounds like a great rifle.
| 4seventy |
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| 03/03/08 04:57 PM |
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Andreas,
Yes please do post some photos and story on your project.
Good luck.
| 450_366 |
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| 03/03/08 05:50 PM |
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Hi!
Yeas pictures will be taken and posted under the project.
| 450_366 |
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| 04/03/08 07:35 AM |
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Here is what I have done uptill now.
Added a silver recoil pad to the donorgun and cut the barrels to 26" length.
The old chambers and forcingcone are reamed out of the breech about 165mm long, had to do this in two steps to keep some walls in the old barrels.
To mount the sights some flats are milled out on the top of the rib for the sights to be held into place.
Two adam&bennet 458 barrels are chambered and waiting to be turned down to size.
| 4seventy |
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| 04/03/08 08:18 AM |
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Andreas,
Excellent photos! Thanks for posting them.
It looks like you have all the equipment and tooling to do this sort of work.
It will be great to watch this rifle as it all comes together.
Please keep those great photos coming!
| Bramble |
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| 05/03/08 09:40 AM |
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I want that DRO milling machine
Good luck with the project keep us posted.
Regards
| 450_366 |
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Excellent photos! Thanks for posting them.
It looks like you have all the equipment and tooling to do this sort of work.
It will be great to watch this rifle as it all comes together.
Please keep those great photos coming!
I bought the machines about a month ago so Im still learning to operate them. Also quite short of tools thats why I cant turn the barrels, my pinol was of by 0,3mm and the new one got backordered and comes hopefully within a week.
| 450_366 |
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| 26/03/08 05:39 AM |
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Got bored waiting on the pinol so my freand lent me one instead.
The breech end turned down.
About five hours was spent on looking at the barrel spinning in the lathe, lucky me that its a double.
The barrels and sights tinned and ready.
Now I have to wire the ribs and sights down so I can tinn the inside of the shotgun barrels at the breech. Also I will tinn the 15mm at the mussle where I reamed out the remanings of the choke. The rifled barrels are taken down at the mussle to allow me to fit an excentric bushing so i can adjust the barrels to hit at hopefully the same point. The bushings are ment to be solder at the shotgun barrels and left floating on the rifle barrels.
| RSFknives |
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Hi Andreas,
i just saw this thread, an interessting projekt youīve got there...
i built my double rifle from a brno 16 gauge sbs and itīs a .444Marlin now... i made,
mine back in 2003 att the swedish gunsmithing school...
att the moment itīs waiting to get rechambered in .444 RSF
/Roger
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| 27/03/08 01:29 AM |
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Hi Andreas,
i just saw this thread, an interessting projekt youīve got there...
i built my double rifle from a brno 16 gauge sbs and itīs a .444Marlin now... i made,
mine back in 2003 att the swedish gunsmithing school...
att the moment itīs waiting to get rechambered in .444 RSF
/Roger
Hi!
Seen the pictures on your double and it realy looks nice, undoubtly much better than this one will ever look. But hey its a poor mans double and if im lucky it will shoot quite well.
What is the 444 RSF?
| RSFknives |
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| 27/03/08 03:00 AM |
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.444RSF is a cartridge i designed while att the gunsmithing school..
havenīt found it in any books iīve read. (cartridges of the world )youīve got a pm..
/Roger
| 450_366 |
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| 27/03/08 07:51 AM |
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The barrels soldered into place.
Started soldering the sights on and soldered the barrels at the same time as im in a hurry to get
it completed.
Guess who forgot that he should have fitted the bushings for the mussle first.
| Nakihunter |
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| 28/03/08 12:19 PM |
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Will soldered barrels be strong enough? Why do shotgun sleeves have to be TIG welded? I am not a skilled person & know nothing about making double rifles. This looks like a great project & I wish I could convert my Webley & Scott into a 360 No2 NE!! I am looking forward to seeing pictures of the finished rifle.
| 450_366 |
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| 28/03/08 05:33 PM |
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Will soldered barrels be strong enough? Why do shotgun sleeves have to be TIG welded? I am not a skilled person & know nothing about making double rifles. This looks like a great project & I wish I could convert my Webley & Scott into a 360 No2 NE!! I am looking forward to seeing pictures of the finished rifle.
To be fair i dont realy know, but the sleaves are turned so the "old" rim of the cartridge is left on the breech end together with two more steps.
So basicly they should be kept inplace without the solder as would the common barrel inserts. But in sweden the inserts are subject to a licence that is wery hard to obtain, anyway it wouldnt feel right.
Are the sleaves realy tig welded? thought they where silver soldered. At least in monoblocks and the different types of lumps.
| RSFknives |
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| 28/03/08 06:21 PM |
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all the double rifles we built att the gunsmithing schools are sleaved and soldered, (not silversoldered,
it gets to hot and there is a risk you loose temper on the locking lugs if not careful)
the teacher has never heard of any barrels comming loose. and thats since he started work (he started att Fabbri in italy)
/Roger
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| 09/04/08 04:17 AM |
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Some uppdates on the build.
After a fun evening with a petrolium lamp and my new friends the file and stone its back on face.
The new barrels are sticking out only so much that you can get the neil to stick on the edge.
The bushings are turned out with about 0,3mm excentric to the centre axel, and soldered into place. It will be fun to see if this works and if they are excentric enough.
And yeas they will be cut of and filed smooth with the old barrels when done, need someting to get the plyers to grab when twisting.
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Will soldered barrels be strong enough? Why do shotgun sleeves have to be TIG welded? I am not a skilled person & know nothing about making double rifles. This looks like a great project & I wish I could convert my Webley & Scott into a 360 No2 NE!! I am looking forward to seeing pictures of the finished rifle.
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: .360 #2 would be a terrific double-gun for the bush around here. Go for it, then send me the gun to test for you!-
; One of my best friends has a W&C Scott .360 BPE - at least that's what I think it is - memories and all.
| 88MauSporter |
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I'm on the edge of my seat reading through this one. I have an old belgian hammer double that I have chambered sleeves that I will fit, some day. I have them sitting there looking at me and laughing that I don't have time or the talent and tools as 450_360. Mine are also .45-70. I am looking forward to the regulating as well.
Looks like a great project an should make a wonderful classic double. best to your effort.
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The double I built is based on a French 16ga and the barrels are soldered into the origional mono block. I did braze he quarter rib in place however and all has worked out fine. The rifle is chambered for the .450#2 NE cartridge and shoots about 1.25" at 50 yards. If you are like me you will enjoy regulating the gun it was a lot of fun!!! What made you choose 45-70 in stead of a more clasic double rifle cartridge?
I posted building my rifle several years ago you may find some helpful info back there if you can find it. I am now building a 475 on a Verny Carron action(another French gun) or at least I think it will be a .475 At present I am making new forarm iron as that was missing. In any case the gun will be either a .475 or a .470. Good luck and have fun!
| 450_366 |
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The double I built is based on a French 16ga and the barrels are soldered into the origional mono block. I did braze he quarter rib in place however and all has worked out fine. The rifle is chambered for the .450#2 NE cartridge and shoots about 1.25" at 50 yards. If you are like me you will enjoy regulating the gun it was a lot of fun!!! What made you choose 45-70 in stead of a more clasic double rifle cartridge?
I posted building my rifle several years ago you may find some helpful info back there if you can find it. I am now building a 475 on a Verny Carron action(another French gun) or at least I think it will be a .475 At present I am making new forarm iron as that was missing. In any case the gun will be either a .475 or a .470. Good luck and have fun!
Yeas the regulating will be fun, hopefully both barrels will show a hole somewere in the paper to begin with. Now I sitt here waiting for a 22mm mill so i can finnish the extractor, then its of to the range.
I choose the 45-70 as its cheap in brass,bullets and reloading tools. And when its done (if this work) i will sell it of to finanse a ,577 build on my 12 gauge. And as this is turning out with the sights and all, i couldnt ceep it anyway.
I did a search for your build but couldnt find it, will give it a try again later.
| 450_366 |
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| 05/05/08 11:23 PM |
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This evening i will put a couple of rounds in my double and hopefully it will hold, so if this tread stopps here you now why.
After half a day trying to set the barrels straight I messed it up anyway. I tought that the hole for the extractor was in center of the lump and in an angle with the action but apparently it was not. Merkel from the mid -70 is not a precisionbuilt peace of art thats for sure.
Anyway the extractor had some disc turned out and soldered into place and is now fitted to the barrels. Sorry for the crappy focus on the picture but it was in the middle of the night and I took at least 20 in different settings on the camera (its my garagecamera so its old).
But the bright spotts where the black is rubbed of are almost visible. This blackening and scrapening/filing/stonig sure is fun.
| 450_366 |
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| 06/05/08 06:18 AM |
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Put a couple of service round in it (55gr varget/400gr speer) and
it looks fine. As soon as im ready for it i will gut a couple of hotter ones in it for proofing.
I had to order a original print from a proofhouse to build this proofing rest.
But it did the work, the round made boom and no metal was flying around this time. The only thing that stunned me was that it was quite suddle not a sharp crack when i fired it, but it could be that my nerves shut the sound out to let me be able to taste the fear of a f...up more clearer. But it held up
, atleast these soft loads. Next time i will set up the gunrest500 it will be definitive if it houlds or not.
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Thanks Andreas !
Great reading & funny bits ( it IS meant to be funny ?
) great idea , different coloured strings for each barrel !Wish there were more photos
, please keep us informed !
| dale |
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| 06/05/08 04:14 PM |
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Great looking job. Are you keeping a rough record of your time? Some fine looking machines as well.
| 450_366 |
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| 07/05/08 07:12 AM |
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Today I got to shoot my double from the shoulder for the first time, and the sound and kick was there thats for sure.
On 25meters she crossed 15cm so i turned my homemade regulating bushings to use half of their capacity (0,3mm) and now they "only cross 12cm.
So my concern that shotgun barrels are to crossed seems right, but the barrels are floating so this could be a factor.
Now i have heated the front of the barrels and spread them 1mm, messuring with a couple of boresighters the barrels now cross about 6cm in 20m (before 18cm). Tomorrow i will give it a try ones more to see if they are about right, and if i will test it in a 100m range.
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Great looking job. Are you keeping a rough record of your time? Some fine looking machines as well.
Thanks, with my mistakes and all i think 150-200 hours. But now when the barrels are moved the blue is ruined, so it would have been faster and better if i made a monoblock.
But hey, i made it to learn and i did so i cant complain.
| 450_366 |
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| 08/05/08 07:56 AM |
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Well didnt get to shoot it today, came home to late in the evening and it was about to get dark (my neighburs would probably want to sleep also).
But started fitting a couple of QR-bases so i could fit a scope to it to help me regulate it on 100m distance.
The bases got a groove cut in them to get as low as possible over the rib. They are initially made for a sauer 202 and was the only one in stock that i know how they look when i ordered them. If you look closely the are not streight cut bequarse the rings doesent hold them streight
. I now now why recknagel mounts have i higher price.
A test to see how they look at the rifle. I dont know why i bother as it will be quite ugly with them, just another reason to by recknagel mounts.
This is how it looks with the seights and bases on. Disgard the large cylinders in the mussle they will soon be gone, i hope.
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| 10/05/08 05:02 AM |
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Shot it yeasterday and it still crosses 60mm and now left is 60mm high, put in the boresighters and the beams hit accactly as the shots. Now i soldered the front of the ribs of and will fit a wedge between the shotgun barrels. Then i will fix it with the beams streight on target and solder it together.
| dale |
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Andreas,
We tried the ecentric cams once with a sauer and had the identical results as you. We ended up locking the cams back to center and then spreading the bbls. Fortunately, the spread wasn't so great and we were able to use the orgional rib. It can be a long process just don't get discouraged. :^)
dale
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We tried the ecentric cams once with a sauer and had the identical results as you. We ended up locking the cams back to center and then spreading the bbls. Fortunately, the spread wasn't so great and we were able to use the orgional rib. It can be a long process just don't get discouraged. :^)
dale
Were was you a month ago, nowing this could have spared me a lot of work.
But to be honest i would have done it anyway, it just was as a damn good way to regulate.But i invented a whole new way to do the job, i have applied for a patent so dont tell anyone.
Dont mind the corrosion in the barrels its cleaned out now.
| dale |
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Andreas,
I never considered saying anything because there was a great chance you could get it going even though we didn't. :^) Looks good, you got it whipped now.
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| 20/05/08 01:26 AM |
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Shot it on my 25m gardenrange and now they are within 10mm from each other. That is standing from sticks and open sights with me pulling the triggers.
If i get the time i will mount a scope tonight and hit the range tommorow morning.
| 450_366 |
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| 20/05/08 08:19 AM |
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She is gaining weight.
The old scope left a nasty smell when it got warm. But it works when you dont have a peace of streight 25mm pipe.
As usual its pitch dark when i get the time to work so the picture is quite bad, but it get you some idea of the finished result.
| Marrakai |
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| 20/05/08 09:50 PM |
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Good stuff!
Looks like a fine job. Look forward to seeing better pictures when you get the chance.
I think we should phone-up Purdey and Hollands and tell them about your new barrel regulation method, now that the cat is out of the bag! They'll be so p!ssed-off they didn't think of it first!
| 450_366 |
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| 23/05/08 07:56 AM |
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Shot it today and they are still 36cm crossed at 100m, but the scope didnt fall of at least.
| 450_366 |
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| 24/05/08 11:30 PM |
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Spread the barrels 0,1mm and they still cross 20cm but now they are back on the horizontal.
I will spred them about 0,15mm tonight and hopefully thats it.
| 450_366 |
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| 27/05/08 06:27 AM |
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Now its starting to get there, the shots still cross but now only 20mm but they are 50mm of in hight. But this is from sticks on a 100m range so i will shoot it again and see if the results are tru or me that mess it up.
If the result is reproducable, should i leave it there or should i try to move them closer?
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| 27/05/08 08:31 PM |
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I think 20mm is allready very good, but you have to live with the result. Do you intend to do a lot of long range shooting with it?
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| 28/05/08 12:14 AM |
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I think 20mm is allready very good, but you have to live with the result. Do you intend to do a lot of long range shooting with it?
Well the rifle has the balance of a benchrest so......
My concern was that it crosses 20mm and not that they shoot parallell so it will spred more and more. But i still will shoot it again as i think i pulled the left barrel about 50mm left and a bit up.
| 450_366 |
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| 04/06/08 05:02 AM |
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Damn, the learning never stops.
Started of great but all the sudden the shots came 20cm apart.
I seems that when i cleaned and oiled the barrels after each shot it greatly affected the regulation.
And now when i fire it and i didnt heat and solder them the need to oil the wasnt that big, so the shots came apart.So back to the torch and start all over again.
And yeas i used a jag with a patch to clean out the oil but not sufficient apparently.
| dale |
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| 04/06/08 04:23 PM |
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Andreas,
i hate to say anythng as I usually end up stcking my foot in my mouth but here goes. We would shoot four and six shot groups and determine the average then make an adjustment. I would start with clean dry bbls and try to shoot the shots at a steady pace. Not rushng but not didlng around either. Dad would mark the shots with the spottng scope and mark them on a target at the bench then back at the shop we would measure the shots on the actual target. This last gun would always shoot one hole wth the right bbl. but the left group would always be larger. Still, it took us forever. :^)
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| 04/06/08 09:24 PM |
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Andreas,
I would like to ad a little of my expereince.
A couple of points:
1- Shoot from off hand or at leat not resting the rifle directly. I found that what works for me is resting the back of my forward hand on an horizontal post as a rest.
2- Shoot at two targets, one for each barrel, so you know where each barret hit from aiming point.
3- You should try at least 3 right-left to know where it shots.
You need to know exactly how the rifle shot from a free recoiling position as when hunting.
Hope this helps.
Martin
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I would like to ad a little of my expereince.
A couple of points:
1- Shoot from off hand or at leat not resting the rifle directly. I found that what works for me is resting the back of my forward hand on an horizontal post as a rest.
2- Shoot at two targets, one for each barrel, so you know where each barret hit from aiming point.
3- You should try at least 3 right-left to know where it shots.
You need to know exactly how the rifle shot from a free recoiling position as when hunting.
Hope this helps.
Martin
I shoot from sticks only resting the rifle in my hands and on two targets but as the importer of the powder i shoosed are out of stock im short of round so i only shhot one from each barrel.
But when they get closer on the target i shoot two from each barrel. And then some for fun.
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i hate to say anythng as I usually end up stcking my foot in my mouth but here goes. We would shoot four and six shot groups and determine the average then make an adjustment. I would start with clean dry bbls and try to shoot the shots at a steady pace. Not rushng but not didlng around either. Dad would mark the shots with the spottng scope and mark them on a target at the bench then back at the shop we would measure the shots on the actual target. This last gun would always shoot one hole wth the right bbl. but the left group would always be larger. Still, it took us forever. :^)
As above but i was using my father (standing by the target) but started to question his math capability.
But after two round from each barrel she starts to warm up so further shots wont do anything.
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Now this is what i got this far. The shots are at most 16cm apart vertical and 9cm horizontal.
Now the second pair of shots came a couple of minutes after the first one, but the right barrel has a tendancy to spread its shots vertical.
Its done so before, could it be that my hand beeing to small to get a good grip pulling my front trigger? Its realy hard to get the same grip every time and im not holding the pistol grip as one should at all.
Ofcourse i will shoot it again in a faster pace and perhaps closer also and remember still standing and shottie triggers.
| 450_366 |
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| 09/06/08 04:03 AM |
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So now i shot it six times from 50m, the last two didnt even hit the sticker. They are the larger holes 20cm from bullseye at 8 and 11 clock
I will see if i can get the right barrel a little bet further down and to the left, but it was vindy so they are on me and not as the rifle is capable to.
But i tryed harder to hold it the same on the front trigger and it seem to work better now.
| Birdhunter50 |
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| 09/06/08 11:23 AM |
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The Merkel is an excellent choice for a donor gun, stong and lightweight for it's strength. I have shot alot of 400 grain cast bullets and also 300 Hollow points for hunting and some 350 grain flat points in my 45/70's. For hunting in North America you can't go wrong with any of them as long as you are not going for big bears. I load the 300 grain bullets and the 350's to 1500 to 1600 feet per second. This is a milder load than you said you were going to use but they do a good job on game and don't punish your shoulder too bad. You won't notice the recoil when you are hunting but shooting 60 to 80 rounds from a bench during regulation can soften up your shoulder over time.
It may not be proper to some peoples way of thinking but I put Pachmyr or Limbsaver recoil pads on all my rifles and shotguns. It really helps on the recoil and I appreciate that since I dis-located my shoulder deer hunting last year from a fall on the ice. Good luck with your project, you won't be sorry. Bob H.
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Thanks, it is coming out quite well now. First three shots are in a 30mm circle now, but the fourth has a habit to fly off at least 10cm. Its almost as if something has come loose, and it has to cool down realy long time before shooting it again (20min isnt enough).
I got to chrono a couple shots today and they are about 1850f/s (1851 and 1849) so they are at the 550m/s i was looking for with a 400grs bullet.
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Andreas,
My best advice to you would be to concern yourself with the horizontal spread first, before you worry about getting them together up and down. After you get them spaced the way you want them, then you can adjust them for up and down. You may also find that as you bring them together on the same horizontal plain, that they will spread slightly apart more. This is just natural and is a reaction to the way they are situated next to each other. I use the monoblock method and temporary spacers to get them on roughly on before I solder anything up. Some of my best groups were shot using aluminum temporary spacers and hose clamps!
In order to do it this way you need to make up some temporary bolt-on sights. The whole mess looks like hell while you are doing this. Friends have had great laughs at my expense when I show up to do preliminary sight-ins with the gun rigged up this way. But they usually shut up when they see the results. I shoot most of my shots sitting down at a bench but I hold the forend the same way as I would when hunting. I rest my forarm on a sandbag but let the rifle freely recoil just like it would if I were standing up.
Everything you do to the gun or it's barrels will effect the way it shoots! I once regulated a rifle with the old shotgun wood on it, which included the original splinter forend. I got it shooting great, then I restocked it along with a new beavertail forend. That was enough to throw the regulation WAY off! It limited the rotation around the center of gravity a lot more.
I usually shoot two rights and two lefts, then open the gun and let it cool while I go down and mark the target. I have used two targets before, one for the right barrel and one for the left, but I found out I like to have them all on the same target as a referrence so that I can refer back to it when I do the adjusting. You need someone spotting for you when you do this and either marking them as you shoot or at least mentally marking them so you know exactly where they are going.
I hope you were able to buy more powder, you need to shoot it more and move the barrels less. I never correct any soldered joint till I am certain it needs to be moved, otherwise you will just be moving it back and forth all the time. Having a scope mounted will help your regulation shooting, but don't be surprised if it changes points of impact when you remove the scope. Bob H.
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| 14/07/08 06:35 AM |
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My concern that something did go wrong seems right, now it crossed 20cm again and 15cm vertikal.
So i resolder it (again) and now its right in vertikal but still 15cm across. So tonight the torch springs to life again and the barrels will be spread.
Now this could be the powder charge, as when i checked some of the older realodings it seems as the powder messurer adds up yo 2grs when ever it wants. So perhaps i regulated it with a overcharged bullet. I have now uppgraded it with a baffle, but i will ceep a close eye on the scale.
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| 14/07/08 02:06 PM |
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Andreas-
Never trust the thrown charges from a powder measure.
Never never never when loading for a double rifle.
Otherwise you're just as well off pissing on your leg.
If you are loading for a double rifle and feel the need to use thrown charges from a powder measure, throw them light, then trickle them up to weight in a freshly leveled high quality beam scale.
Keep the charges within 1/10th grain.
If you are using filler, weigh each charge of filler too.
In this case where you are setting up a rifle for a regulation load, also weigh and segregate your bullets
--Tinker
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| 14/07/08 06:55 PM |
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Yepp learned that the fun way, but if its possible to messure powder for small pistol rounds one thinks its usefull for rifles to. Offcourse now i realise that if the charge increses the error also.
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| 10/08/08 09:22 PM |
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As usual everything keeps f...ing up.
I had two weeks holiday before my trip to get my rifle sorted but got sick three weeks before and when i finaly got on my legs it was only two days from the flight to johannesburg. And as all my powder was gone and none to find i had to switch it and never got it reregulated for the new one.
And as i got there i found out that my left barrel was of about 5-10 cm.
But at least it drew some blood for the first time.
Not the biggest one but its mine.
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| 12/08/08 10:57 AM |
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Andreas,
You're bragging, aren't you, about this lovely trophy?
Somehow, I have always believed that the quality of the hunt - the difficulty, the nature of the stalk and of the shot taken etc are far more important than the size of the trophy itself. You had a nice time with a lovely rifle and there is nothing else that matters.
Very good hunting and thanks for sharing pictures.
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| 13/08/08 07:02 AM |
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Andreas,
You're bragging, aren't you, about this lovely trophy?
You had a nice time with a lovely rifle and there is nothing else that matters.
Very good hunting and thanks for sharing pictures.
You are quite right, it was not the best trophy i got there but its for sure my favorit. In fact i could return and hunt only for wildebeast, thats how much i liked it.
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| 13/08/08 07:18 AM |
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Allright
- Weidmannsheil - tell us more please!
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| 15/08/08 08:01 AM |
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Allright
Not realy much to tell actually, i went for a six day hunt and shot warthog, impala, wildebeast and mountain reedbuck. As trofe the reedbuck was probably the best one but the wildebeast was for sure the best hunt. We stalked him untill we were only about 25-30m from a herd of perhaps 10-15 animals and one of them did the mistake to step out and stare at us in an angle. As this was in dense busch and the others was barely seen thru it and there was a small gap to get a shot at him i just had to take it. It was i real thrill to hear them frust only some meters away and nowing that they new we was looking at them. On the shot he emediatly jumpt with a curwed back streight into the busch so i had to run forward a couple meters to get a new shot at him (as i missed of course as the only ting i saw was his upper 1/4 and running full speed 50m into the busch not mentioning my skills). Still running and reloading i saw him about 70m away but as not the ph or i could be sure it was the right one i wasnt allowed to take the shot nor was i wary ceen to make a mistake either. After 5 sekunds it was gone and there was silence but the ph told me he tought he heard it drop. Now the funny thing after about 3 meters from where the shot struk him there was no tracks and no blood, so i realy started to question where the shot took. A small road run across about 60-70m in the direction where he stod and there was no tracks either crossing or along it. After some 30 minutes the tracker found a puddle, some 10cm across of blood, on the other side of the road but still no tracks. The after another 15 minutes (at this point it felt as it had past several hours) there was a shout and the tracker had found him. In total he had probably only run about 120-130meters from the shot that had hit him streight into the front leg and kept going in an angle missing his hart and hitting his lung and into the "gras stummach". The bullit had left a 15mm hole right into him from witch he had blead only a couple of drops. This is why i love the animals, they are probably the closest thing i will ever come to a buffalo.
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| 23/10/08 07:26 AM |
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So it ends, the double got regulated proparly but sadly will sell it in a couple of weeks. But here is my last picture of it.
And here is my last kill with it also.
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| 13/12/08 02:43 AM |
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Nice job! I just got a Burris Scout scope 2.75X and mounted it on my 45-100 double I built on a Merkel 1970 era 12 ga. Waiting for the end of deer season to go to the range and see if the regulation is still there with the scope. My old eyes never did better than 3" groups at 50 yds with the express sights. Hoping to go for boar with the thing. I can get 2250 fps with 350 gr bullets before cases start stretching, which makes me think that this is max.
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Why would you sell such a nice and personal piece of work? So much time to have to sell must just break your heart. Great job and thanks for the updates on the build itself. Im new here but truly appreciate the commentary.
NitroX
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So it ends, the double got regulated proparly but sadly will sell it in a couple of weeks. But here is my last picture of it.
My friend, I am going to pinch your photographs and load them onto the NE server.
Sad thing to sell your own made rifle.
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| 07/01/09 01:12 AM |
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As to our six gunlaw, one has realy make some tough desicions. But fortunatly it didnt turn out that well, if i was going to ceep it i, would make some proper barrels for it. So it was easyer to sell it and to try to forget it ever beeing made.
And the photos are free to use John, i would never post a photo on the net that wasnt.