| ecorrigan |
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| 07/01/12 06:41 PM |
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Sirs, I'm new here so please bear with me. I'm looking for information regarding a shotgun to double rifle conversion. I've found someone here in my home state who does the conversions, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can about it. I can't find much in the way of resources or information pertaining to it and am hoping someone here can point me in a semi-educational direction.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. I don't have the money to buy anything yet so this is the next best thing!! Even a Sabatti or a Bailey Bradshaw rifle is too much right now!! This process is much cheaper and is pretty good as far as functionability from what I hear. If anyone has any information, I would greatly appreciate it!!
Thanks!!
| tinker |
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| 08/01/12 03:33 AM |
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Welcome to the site!
There's a book titled something to the effect of "Building double rifles on shotgun actions". Google it.
Also use the search feature here and look around the gunbuilding threads here on NitroExpress.
There's lots of good info here.
Cheers
Tinker
| Mauser416 |
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| 08/01/12 04:57 AM |
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W. Ellis Brown's book, "Building Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions" is a good source of info as far as the build. Having someone do the work for you can add another level of complexity.
| Supercracker |
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| 08/01/12 11:40 AM |
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Quote:
W. Ellis Brown's book, "Building Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions" is a good source of info as far as the build. Having someone do the work for you can add another level of complexity.
It's actually in it's second edition now. Get it here.
http://www.bundukipublishing.com/
Hope it's ok to post the link.
| ruffcountry |
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| 08/01/12 02:36 PM |
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I just got home tonight from Dallas Safari Club . I had a great time looking at the exhibits and visiting with the exhibitors , but the clear highlight of my day was meeting Mr. W. Ellis Brown . I can say without reservation that you will never meet a nicer , more down to earth , humble man than Mr. Brown . He is a true gentleman in every sense of the word .
By all means buy this book .
Myself , Mr. Brown , and my signed copy of "Building Double Rifles on Shotgun Actions"
| AkMike |
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| 08/01/12 02:40 PM |
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Try sending a pm to Birdhunter50 here at NE and see if he's interested in doing this project. He's got experience at it already.
Ellis Brown also does some still. I recently held one of his creations..
And it was in a 450 NE!
| DBLGN |
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| 12/01/12 10:07 AM |
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Thank you very much for the compliment - you way over flatter me, but thanks just the same.
Ellis
| Omnivorous_Bob |
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| 12/01/12 02:53 PM |
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Mr Brown is finishing up a set of shoe lump 25-20 barrels to fit my son's 410 SxS. I can't wait to try it in a few weeks and will post some pictures.
To say he's been a pleasure to work with is an understatement! I'm jaded enough to automatically multiply any gunsmithing time estimate by 3. I once waited 23 months for what was quoted as a 2 month job by a big name in the lever gun business (think 50AK). Ellis has been both prompt and also curtious enough to email progress reports (with pictures!) several times a week. I'm impressed with the work and watching it all come together has been wonderful.
Bob
| tinker |
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| 12/01/12 03:54 PM |
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25-20 is a great cartridge, I love mine!
Your son will be happy no doubt.
Cheers
Tinker
| nitro450exp |
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| 12/01/12 11:25 PM |
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Mr. Brown
I was at the show for a short time.
Had I known you were there I would have looked you up.
I would like to get a copy of your book and meet you.
Will you be at SCI ?
Nitro
| DBLGN |
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| 13/01/12 05:18 AM |
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Nitro,
I was at the DSC convention due to a joint project with a ACGG guild member - a .470. I will not be at SCI (barely got to DSC and back). As you know, the book can be obtained through the Bunduki Publishing web site. Requests for a signed copy come to me and I ship them out directly.
I love meeting with people who have an interest in double rifles, and not just customers. If you are ever in the Ft.Collins, CO. area, look me up and visit the shop.
Ellis
| doubleriflejack |
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| 13/01/12 08:23 AM |
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You guys have it correct, W. Ellis Brown is, indeed, one hell of a nice well meaning guy, and knows what he is talking about. I took a class from him in gunsmithing school, Tech College, MN, converting shotguns to double rifles, prior to his writing his book on same subject, now in 2nd edition. I strongly recommend his book, if you have interests in this sort of subject. Also, if you have interests in trying to re-regulate a double rifle, the process is clearly explained in this book too. I have converted several shotguns to double rifles now, without a problem, so I know the process works well, if you can do the work nicessary.
| ruffcountry |
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| 13/01/12 12:07 PM |
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I think someone should say " Welcome , Mr. Brown , to NitroExpress.com home of the first and best forum for Double Rifles on the net . Glad you made it ".
| DBLGN |
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| 15/01/12 09:34 AM |
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"Welcome , Mr. Brown , to NitroExpress.com"
Thanks for the welcome. I have followed this forum and a couple of others for sometime, but just avoided doing much posting. While talking to folks at DSC, I became convinced that I needed to put in a bit more presence on the forums. So, once again, thanks for the welcome.
Always something interesting out here.
Ellis
| tinker |
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| 15/01/12 09:50 AM |
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Enjoy your time here Ellis!
Feel free to share all the sweet and all the sour from your experience at the bench.
Especially those who wish to roll their own, the crew here will no doubt appreciate your perspective.
Cheers
Tinker
| spinna |
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| 15/01/12 11:00 AM |
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A friend of mine has a 50 Alaskan made up on a AYA shotgun action.
I've hunted with it a few times, and taken a scrub bull, a handful of donkeys and a few pigs with it
Regulated for 440 gr Woodleigh, with 60 gr of 2208 (varget), a low pressure load that only does 1700 fps, but works well in the bush..
Cheers
spinna
| Smoke73 |
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| 15/01/12 05:03 PM |
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I have Ellis's book and can't recommend it enough. Ellis shows not only his successes but also shares his failures which is so important to any aspiring double gunsmith because it is not all smooth sailing. But as I learned while welding the difference between a good weld and a bad one is often just a pass away. One must endeavor to persevere. Glad your here Mr. Brown. You will find of all the forums the gentlemen end up here.
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| 16/01/12 12:50 AM |
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Ellis,
Let me add my warm welcome to these forums. I'm glad you have decided to join in the discussions.
You won't find anyone here who is more enthusiastic about double rifles than I.
I look forward to reading what you have to say.
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 16/01/12 04:57 AM |
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I don't have any modern doubles, but I am MORE entusiastic about double rifles than Curl is. He's actually a bit lame in regards 'double rifles' - yup - actually.
| tinker |
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| 16/01/12 05:54 AM |
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Yup Daryl.
I think you nailed it.
Curl = 'Total Poser'
Only a full-hit 'wannaBe' would own such a heap of ultra high condition double rifles from such top-shelf makers as he has out there in the woodshed.
Tsk.
;^)
Cheers
Tinker
| DarylS |
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| 16/01/12 05:56 AM |
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hahahaha!
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NitroX
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| 17/01/12 02:08 AM |
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Nitro,
I was at the DSC convention due to a joint project with a ACGG guild member - a .470. I will not be at SCI (barely got to DSC and back). As you know, the book can be obtained through the Bunduki Publishing web site. Requests for a signed copy come to me and I ship them out directly.
I love meeting with people who have an interest in double rifles, and not just customers. If you are ever in the Ft.Collins, CO. area, look me up and visit the shop.
Ellis
Ellis
Welcome to the forums. I'm sure your input into the many questions we have on the subject would be appreciated from time to time.
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| 17/01/12 02:11 AM |
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Yup Daryl.
I think you nailed it.
Curl = 'Total Poser'
Only a full-hit 'wannaBe' would own such a heap of ultra high condition double rifles from such top-shelf makers as he has out there in the woodshed.
Tsk.
Yeah Curl is a real braggadocio, but has a right with the many varied toys he has in the woodshed, not just doubles.
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| 23/01/12 12:49 AM |
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Daryl and Tinker,
I'm sitting here chuckling. My wife always wonders how I can sit and laugh in front of my laptop. She doesn't do discussion boards.
Trouble is, I can't even think of a good comeback.
I suppose I could say that Daryl isn't enthusiastic about traditional muzzle loading rifles. And maybe Tinker just doesn't care much about 16 bore double rifles. Just doesn't seem quite as amusing.
Cheers,
Curl
| DarylS |
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| 23/01/12 05:44 AM |
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| Huvius |
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| 26/01/12 07:08 AM |
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Took me a while to catch on that Ellis is on the forum now.
Huge welcome to you!
I think I have mentioned before that he hosts a shoot in August every year. A good time with a bunch of good guys (and a few gals) and a great opportunity to see some conversion guns and shoot some pretty exotic originals too.
| apr1775 |
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| 06/02/12 02:15 AM |
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Ellis,
Many of us here have your book and consider you to be the wise old sage of home double rifle builders. I hope to read more from you.
| DBLGN |
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| 07/02/12 03:39 AM |
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Careful with that "wise old" stuff! Especially the wise! Thanks for the warm welcome guys. As I have stated before, I have followed these forums for quite some time, but just have not posted much. I can't afford too much to be spent here. Most of all, I am just an ordinary guy the was foolish enough to undertake recording his feeble efforts and then shared them with an unwitting public that now thinks he knows something. I still have lot to learn and learn new things with every double I build. Have to tell you, there are several guys out there that have taken my information and build at least as nice, if not nicer doubles than I do. Kind of like the old martial master that is most pleased when his student(s) exceed his ability.
Thanks again!
Ellis
| tinker |
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| 07/02/12 01:53 PM |
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Just got home to family and warm dinner -- and my copy of Gun Craft!
I'll look through it tonight after the kids are tucked in.
So far it looks pretty nice!
Cheers
Tinker
| nitro450exp |
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| 08/02/12 12:43 PM |
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Mr. Brown.
Ordered our book hope to see it soon.
Looking forward to reading it.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Hope to one day tackle a project.
Graeme "Nitro"
| Mauser416 |
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| 09/02/12 12:13 PM |
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If we are considering the same shotgun model for conversion and have a 12 ga. or 16 ga. to choose from, is there a benefit to using a 12 ga. frame if the cartridge will fit into the 16 ga.? Is there a downside to using the 12 ga. in such a case?
| DBLGN |
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| 10/02/12 04:15 AM |
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"If we are considering the same shotgun model for conversion and have a 12 ga. or 16 ga. to choose from, is there a benefit to using a 12 ga. frame if the cartridge will fit into the 16 ga.? Is there a downside to using the 12 ga. in such a case? "
This all depends on the cartridge that you intend to build the rifle in. I build a lot of .450NE sized doubles and feel that the weight should be between 10 and 11 pounds to make the recoil manageable. While a 16B can be used, from a strength stand point, it is hard to get the proper weight. My first .450-3 1/4NE is built on a 16B frame, has over 900 rounds through it, and is still tight, but it only weighs 9.5 pounds - a bit light. Anything bigger than a .450, (500/465, .470, .475, .500) really needs to be on a 12B frame. The .500 is a another break over point - it can be built on a 12B frame, but may end up being a bit light for the cartridge. I feel that a .500 should weigh around 11 pounds, or a bit more. Anything over .500 (.577), needs to be on a 10B frame.
Ellis