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Dracb Thank you so much for the info..really enjoyed reading about your experiences... All of what you have said is pretty much what I have read, heard or experienced..I have only shot about 6 or 7 bears. Out of those only one was a griz.. most have died really easy, BUT as you say, get them stirred up a bit and its a different story... Fortunately I can still carry here and as such normally carry my titanium S&W in .44 Mag loaded with 300gr hard cast when in Griz country--in Black Bear carry one of my lighter 357 Mags loaded with 180gr Hard Cast Cores..they seem to be effective.. The Crazy's huh?? ![]() They are an awesome mountain area..have spent some time over there, not as much as others, but a really neat area... Take care Ripp |