The Axis FMJ's are not the answer as they can be bent due to the conduit tubing over the carbon. The hot lick is the plain Axis shafts. No bending and I haven't been able to break one in over 5 years. I shoot probably 500 or so arrows out of my longbows or recurves every week and the Axis are by far the cheapest arrow around because they are so durable.Plus they penetrate deeper due to their small diameter. Port orford cedar is probably the worst arrow shaft out there. They break far too easily and I really dont care how good they smell. They always break right behind the taper. I can go stump shooting with a dozen of them and have all of them broken in an hour. Not from misses but from impact in 100 year old stumps. Doug fir is preety good wood shafting and much stronger than POC. FRJ