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hi john no thats is what we call a tjur, i do hunt them in sweden(it is a big bird) found the english nick name and the latin name for it they are callede french partridge or perdix perdix her is a pic [url=http://www.agerhøns.dk/images/agerhons-i-sneen-002.jpg][img] they offer great sport with pointers since there flight is fast and furios but the tjur is much fun too. peter |