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going thru the older Hermann Historica auction catalogs a Bockbüchsflinte, 16/65 over 6,5x58R "W. COLLATH SÖHNE FRANKFURT A.O./WITTENER - EXCELSIOR" http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/aktuelle-auktion.html . . . Drilling Nr. 15141. 16/65 and 8 x 58 R crown and S W U G proof, "WITTENER EXCELSIOR" and "PATENT W. COLLAT" "FRANKFURT A/O"" a BISCHOFF, BRAUNSCHWEIG", "DINOX 6 x 56" scope http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/aktuelle-auktion.html . . . this must be very old a single shot rifle in 11,2x60R Mauser serial number 1491 http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_de/aktuelle-auktion.html "W. COLLATH - FRANKFURT A.O." when the 3500 serial number range was short before the 1891 proof law this rifle number 1491 could not be made before 1873/74 when the mauser 71 realy starts this would mean only 1500 guns since the late 1850s |