Got the shells and shot cups to day I still need the powder. What I did was to take a loaded shell that I had and took the shot out (1 5/8 oz.) and tryed to put in a round ball. I cut my shot cup to hold the ball and then started to put the load together so I high the right high to crimp the ball and down with a 8 segment crimp. I think that I have the high right as the ball was to the top of the shell but when I started the crimp and them tryed to finish it it just folded into the shell it looks like a one layer rolled crimp it seams to hold the ball tight but I wounder if it will shoot without undue pressure? I have never loaded shot shells befor and I know that the right hight is very inportent for the crimp and pressure. maybe with just balls I should just cut some of the crimp off and get a role crimper and try that. Thanks

Tom N