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From: redbeard (Original Message) Sent: 2/24/2002 5:36 PM
Biggest boomer i use is the 4570,what game in africa or Aussy land could i use it on.........could for about 150 yds

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From: Nitro Sent: 2/25/2002 4:03 AM
Redbeard

Sorry I will reply tomorrow on Aussie game which can be hunted with the 45/70, can't put it down right now. I've just logged in to post an article on the mighty Cape Buffalo.

Perhaps one of our African members could comment on the 45/70 in Africa. I'm sure it could handle most plains game. I wonder if anyone has ever used them on any of the Big Five, in recent times or the past?

Will discuss soon.

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From: Nitro Sent: 2/25/2002 2:28 PM
redbeard

most hunters that use a 45-70 in Australia use one of those neat Marlin half magazine lever actions.

Generally they are used on pigs in lignum or heavy bush, where shots are close and fast. Also the lever action having a reasonable number of rounds allows several shots to be taken if a mob of pigs are encountered. A fantastic hog hunter.

Quite a few hunters also use it on feral goats. One of the advantages of these large heavy slow rounds is less skin and meat damage compared to a ultra high velocity medium calibre.

These animals do not require its power but why not. Its one of the best brush bucking rounds with heavy flat or round nosed projectiles.

Sambar deer hunters also like it again for the heavy penetrating bullets and brush busting ability. Sambar are large deer, third in size in the deer species after moose and wapitit (elk). They were introduced to Australia from Sri Lanka and India and live mostly in the Highlands of Victoria in South Eastern Australia. The alpine forests here are very dense and with the Sambar mainly being solitary and reasonably nomadic you have to cover a lot of ground to find one, and much more ground to find a trophy. Then you have to nail him, and in this country, his rear end may be your only target.

Hound hunters also like the 45-70. Hound teams hunt the Sambar deer by a deer's trail or scent being found, the hounds give chase and shooters are pre-positioned at key strategic points in order to hopefully taking a shot at the animal as it flees.

So a 45-70 and its stopping power is welcomed, plus a second or third quick follow up shot.

Any of the deer species could easily be handled by one, but you might prefer a rifle with a greater ranging ability.

They probably have been used on crocodile in the past.

I am sure they have been used on timor (water) buffalo especially during the commercial exploitation days when buffalo were shot heavily for their hides. I do not see why a 45-70 could not be used effectively on buffalo with appropriate bullets and if the range was reasonable. I know some hunters used to use the Siamese Mauser 45-70s on buffalo and these rifles approach the 458 Win Mag in power.

I think they would make fantastic scrub bull rifles.

In Western Australia where the gun laws were /are very strict, it was easier to get "low" powered centrefires like the 45-70 than eg a higher velocity calibre like the 243 Winchester. So some hunters there, in addition to 22s and shotguns had 45-70s or black powder firearms.

Some hunters also have replica Sharps rifles, and also load black powder loads for fun. A friend of mine culled quite a few fallow deer with a replica Sharps 45-70.

The 45-70 is probably less popular in Australia than the US, where it was once a military round. But it is a great round for brush, especially in a short fast lever action.

So if you are ever coming down here hunting, don't leave yours at home.

Good Hunting

Nitro

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From: Bigfive Sent: 2/25/2002 3:22 PM
Hi Redbeard,
Personally I have no experiance with the 45/70.If it has good penetration or the same as a 458Mag and it's got 4000ftlb energy and more then it is suitable to hunt dangerous game in Africa if the shot placement and distance is good.Post me the average velocities and energies with different bullet weights and then I'll be able to tell you more.Read the article on the 460 WBY MAG.

Good hunting
Bigfive