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Nopride2, Most of the 'vintage' cartridges could be loaded to higher than original pressures (in a the right rifle). I could say that my .450 3 1/4" BPE cartridges are suitable for Elephant - if shot in a Chapuis; loaded with 480 grn solids & filled with enough smokeless powder to push them at 2125 fps. The only difference between the .450 3 1/4" BPE & the .450 3 1/4 N.E. is pressure after all. But that's not the point! Therefore it's more sensible to dicuss the relative merits of these cartridges as loaded to 'factory' ballistics. Regards Webley |