I have been searching for some time for a classic older 9.3X62. It does not have to be a Mauser Orbendorf, it could be any one of the between the war's quality makers. Simpson, ect, ect. Problem has been that many of these pieces are priced what collector/museum gr. Orbendorf originals go for. Then these people get in a huff when you point out (gently) that they are not selling a "original" Mauser Orbendorf mod.A despite the prices they see on the internet {they say}(that's what I see Mausers go for on the internet!!) Usualy I try to keep in contact with the seller in hopes they come into reason or we can meet half way. But usualy they end up "not" selling the gun and pulling it off the market. Or sell for for a, can't reveal the price number. Looking forward to your thoughts and solutions due to the vast experiance of so many members on this site.. Thx.