I agree with GreenjoyTJ, I own 3 Leopolds, 1 Zeiss, 1 Aimpoint, and 1 Schmidt and Bender. I like all of the scopes but the Leopold has the largest "sweet spot (no black donought)" than all of of the others. Only the Aimpoint has greater eye relief, which is why it is on my 458 Lott. For the money I have yet to find a scope that will out do it.