Yes Richard i know ..

I know Randy Garrett no i mean i K N O W Randy

I don't know if i would go as far as saying that hes told folks that the 45/70 is better then the 458 or even the 450
or 470 or 475 and 475 Number 2 .
I think some folks just don't take a shine to Randy
Mr Garrett's loads like i said are way low on the PSI scale and on Vel/ when compared to Buffalo Bore Or Grizzly Or Conley's or any of the other folks that make High PSI loaded rounds for the 45/70 ..
I guess the question is who's loaded round would you shoot on a .? say Kudo hunt or a hunt for eland a nice soft round low recoil ..Well that would be garrett's ammo
if you were going to hunt and wanted harder hitting 45/70 loaded rounds it would be one of the 4 others that make and sell loaded round like some of the ones i listed above.
Remmber Mr Garretts keeps his PSI in the 30 to 35.000 PSI range the others like Mike at Grizzly go all the way to 43.000 buffalo bore keeps theres at 42.000 PSI
Conley will run up between the two in the 41.000 to 44.000
PSI range. you see according to the folks on the inside at Marlin running the Marlin GS Stainless at pressures of 48.000 PSI can be done but in the long term it WILL wear the rifle out in about 1000 round's you see it the block
on the GS while its the same as the ones on the Cowboy and the Marlin G it's made from stainless and thay just rate it higher .Now your not going to get anyone at Marlin to come right out and say it hell no you won't. but if you know some one there pick up the phone and call them
now i have run the GS 45/70's in a test at over 80.000 PSI and the rifle hangs together i have done this a few times for my own test's what happens is the action lock's tight then ..well lets just say it requires a steel rod driven down the barrel to force the action open the shell case is so deformed as to take on the shape and form of the base of the bolt face all the shell split down the right hand side about 2/3's the way this was done with Remington brand case's and normal large rilfe CCI primers and a brand of powder that i will list only if PMed its not every to be use .
I have a control tank i test bullets in
( water tank thats 14 feet long 24 inch's diameter ..
I used one of those concret piler cones and instead of pouring the concert into it i poured it on the out side makes a great test tank

but it's only 24 inch in diameter so i braket the rifles to a stand and sit in the ajoining room and pull the string .

Jezz i am rambling again sorry guys

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I don't think anyone is nuts enough to think the 45/70 is the Go to rifle for DG maybe a ? 45/120 loaded up right but hey ! why not take a a real rifle out to hunt DG like a 458 or 378 Weatherby heck a 404 Jeffery would do just fine .

Anyway .. thanks guys this banter is about the most civil i have every had on the 450 Marlin or 45/70

Martin