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On the .450 Marlin, almost any cartridge will kill almost any game. A .450 or a .405 or the much debated .45/70 will kill cape buffalo, as will a 6.5x54 mm M-S and a .405 kill a water buffalo.

But they are not ideal and will kill well enough if care and patience is used. One takes one's risks though of loosing the animal or getting injured yourself.

I wonder how many hunters would choose sub-standard rifles if hunting by their own and not with a PH back-up? The first time I went water buffalo hunting I carried a .30-06 with 220gr Norma FMJs, a mate had a 6.5x55 with mil FMJs and the third guy had a semi-auto shotgun with brenneckes. We thought we would have enough firepower if needed. Then we split up anyway and hunted different areas.

Nowadays I do prefer something with more grunt.

"I prefer Grunt, to Stunt!"