Ray,

I think there is limit for most folks, including me, that can get "used to" about 5,000 ft-lbs or so of recoil (470, 416's, etc.). Beyond that it is just too fearsome.

When I had my Lott I was shooting at 500gr/2300 fps, and even though the energy jumps only to 5,800 ft-lbs, it was one nasty dude. Yeah, I didn't notice it when hunting, but it was bad news at the range, even shooting off-hand.

That's why I want to try the 458 WM, once again. If I can get 2150 fps with a 500 gr. solid, out of a relatively lightweight Mod. 70 and still duplicate the old NE rounds, I'll be happy, if not satisfied!