My point was that the ballistics are crap. My comment about "a thumb size bullet 3 inches beneath the skin" was simply sarcasm. I should have put quotations around it then maybe some of you wouldn't have jumped on it like a bunch of wolves on a stray calf. We didn't try to dig out the bullet so I don't know how deep it went. A chunk of lead that big will of course do damage. I was simply trying to display the fundamental point that these weapons have historical purpose and not so much realistic purpose for TODAY'S buffalo and elephant hunter, in my opinion. You all can relax.