Albertan, I just ordered the Lee factory crimp die and Woodleigh loading manual. I think that I will pull the bullets on the few rounds that I have loaded with 120grs of H4831SC and load them with 133-135grs of H4831SC until I receive my Woodleigh manual. I've got some IMR4831 and might load a couple with that powder also. My loads of 120grs registered a velocity of only 1700 on my chronograph so I knew that they were underpowered after I shot them. I always try to work up in loading but I guess with these big cases, you have to be careful not to start too low. Thanks once again.