Nitro, I think I mentioned the story to you before about a chap who turned up at the Holland rifle range with a brand new custom sythetic stocked .458 Lott to sight in off the bench. He asked range master Roland to try it first (Roland is an ex African hand). Roland declined. Our intrepid hero touched off the first round and found he had a profusely bleeding nose. He fired one more round and left ! best, Mike