I love the Greener and I have my 585HE in one, but
I wish they were bigger with thicker sides,
for real big stuff.

Well you can set up inexpensive in other guns.Go smoothbore
and experiment and get some 50-70yd accurate smoothbore
10ga setups with the BPI VP100 wadcups and hollowbase
69cal Minie bullets. And then get the heavy bull barrel NEF
10ga goose gun, the newer SB2 models.The long barrel is
best with hairy loads They are alloy frame, heat treated strong
and will take our slow powder loads of about 2000 fps.Ed.