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The 458LOTT can easily dup the 470NE with a 500 gr bullet, the 458 Win Mag cannot!

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Mac,
I've carried this one over from another thread.

I was gonna let this one rest but seein' that you brought it up again...

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The 458 was designed to match the 450NE 3 1/4" double rifle round, and It did not in it's new round days

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Ok, "young bucks" like my self don't have the experience that older guys like yourself have with the origins of the 458 Winnie.

So perhaps to make your statements a little more convincing you can enlighten us and tell us what the ACTUAL velocities in sporting rifles were for the 450 NE and for the 458 win at the time of the 458's introduction.
Say Kynoch ammo from 28" barrels for the 450 NE and Win factory ammo in the 25" barrel for the Winchester.

Come on now, here's your big chance to back those opinions up.

I'm hearing you on this one Mac, it's just that I'm waiting on some evidence to support what you are saying.