Alan & Marraki, I firmly agree with you both.. I was wondering if Norma Oryx "IS" made by Woodleigh.. Woodleigh's here in the states are somewhat hard to find in certain calibers and most distributors that do have them are vey expensive,(thats why they still have them) where as the Norma is about $20U.S less per 50 and it's available. I was thinking of using the Oryx for practice and hunting here in the U.S and Woodleigh's for Africa. "But" I'm a very firm believer in practiceing with what you hunt with..450Dakota