Gotta toss in my two bits..opinnion only...

1. I have shot Buffalo with the 458 Loaded to 2100, 458 Lott at 2350 and the 470 at 2020 and 2245 FPS...The 470 is fully equal and perhaps better than the 458 Lott at 2350 and superior to the other two loadings.....

2. The 458 Win. is a fine round when properly loaded, but when properly loaded your playing with fire, compaction being possible with about any powder..The trouble with compaction is it only occurs on ocassion and one thinks all is well, then everything goes south..

3. It only makes since to punch the 458 win. out ot a Lott, give me one reason why not if your going to hunt dangerous game? Its such an easy punch!

and a great insureance program.

4. The 458 Win. was and is a poorly designed cartridge, always has been otherwise it would not be such an argueable topic...It'll work but there sure are better options..

5. Anyone that thinks there is a difference in the bolt throw of a std and 375 length action in the heat of battle, probably can't chew gum and walk, its there but c'mon, a 1/4 of an inch just ain't all that serious, its in your head....I shoot both actions and a true magnum action all the time, have for years..I never missed in the beginning and have not since, if I did then I'd take up knitting!

6. Mac pretty much nailed it IMO....but to each his own.