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the ammo whas about 40 years old,,and neither off them whas faster than 2100 f/s,in the chronograph

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That 1961 458 velocity of 2087 puts it at the same power level as most of the 450's and the 470 then!

Yes, we like the Woodleighs and I load them in all my rifles these days from 7mm up to the big stuff.