If you want to get your bores absolutely clean and with little effort use either Wipe Out or Coppermelt. My friends and I are completely sold on these products. Using Wipe Out, it takes me litteraly 5 minutes per gun to clean. It is a foam(looks like shaving lather) you spray it down the barrel, lay the gun on it's side, come back in 1 to 24 hours and run two or three patches through...DONE! No chemical smell, no dozens of patches, no BRUSHES, no hundreds of strokes with the brushes down the barrel. About every other cleaning I run a couple of patches of Hoppes down after the Wipe Out, the Wipe Out doesn't do as good a job on the powder, but this is NBD.