Oh yes, I should not have forgotten Barnes. I'll certainly try those out. The Barnes are very expensive over here and I'll probably end up mainly sticking to the Woodleighs, or others. Taipans shoot very well in every other calibre I've tried and they are the cheapest, but production is somewhat limited these days and they are harder to get. I've been stocking up on Taipans in 375 - there's usually some partially used packets on sale at the gun shows in Brisbane. I intend to contact Taipan and see what the deal is with putting an order in. I'm not sure what weights/configurations are available in the Taipan .458 range.