Thanks folks, I had a 416 Rigby about 15 yrs ago and traded it away. It was a Ruger, I guess I could always get another one of them, I didn't find the recoil all that bad with Federal 400 gr. factory loads. I did shoot a 378 about 10 yrs ago but it didn't have a break and like stated it was miserable IMO, 2 rounds was plenty. I do handload so lower powered rounds will be used but i hadn't thought of the cast bullet route.