Agree with 9.3--don't think this offers a whole lot more than a .577 or .600 double..

I know many will think I am nuts for what I am about to say (along with an entire list of other reasons), but in my opinion, you still need more velocity than what is offered by these cartridges for full penetration on the really big Botswana type bulls..and I am talking from ANY agle..not always,but...

An article I recently read by Mr. Calitz out of Botswana subscribed to the thought of 2300 fps to be ideal for penetration on the big bulls..

Read where Boddington also stated in his close to 20 elephant he has now shot, felt the same way...along with several PH's I visited with last year in Zim..

Personally, I would still choose my .416 over any of the aforementioned cartridges..in an ideal world..

Ripp