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His savage is 1 to 22 twist I think, but BPI tested 500gr in sabot in guns with 1 to 35 and 1 to 28 twist, and got good accuracy with no signs of tumbling.Of course it is the bullet rpms, so faster bullet needs less twist. The point of Bret's and my testing is to find best seals.And this seal and wad combo we found is much better, than cards and wads or other plastic seals. And they cost no more than others, and the sabots are reasonable too. Ed |