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Not to hijack the thread - but 9.3 makes certain points that I dont disagree on , however, ALL off the shelf rifles may not be what you want in total.... length of pull, trigger creep / break, sights, scope mounts, stock shape or material and so on.

Every off the shelf rifle needs to be worked to YOUR satisfaction. If it doesn't work as a reliable rifle - I agree that is a bad thing.

I marvel at how Remington devotees buy anything in the green box and then basically throw everything away but the action and bolt - and even then they "true it" all up..... why bother?....
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I am one of those Remington devotees you described above and so had to respond to your argument...have done exactely what you describe --have stipped down several and built them in other calibers that where either not available or just wanted one more in my custom form..so you are correct to a point..BUT, also have probably a dozen or so in my safe where I have done nothing too and will shoot every bit as well as any cooper, sako, ruger, hs, and custom I have purchased, all for 1/3 or less of the price of the others...and with nothing done other than adjust the trigger...perfect example..have taken a custom shop Remington .416 on 4 hunts alone in Africa..not so much as a hickup...and have killed everything I have pointed it at...so...

Guess, my point is, Remington in NOT a high grade weapon, but the basics of it lend itself quite well to built that accurate weapon..as I have stated many times..look at what the custom shops are using for actions...don't think it is a mere coincidence that the majority are using Remington actions..






Some would say that Merkel is junk - go buy a so and so ---- its only $35000 - but I can bet there would be the same requirements to get that rifle to where YOU want it.
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Totally disagree with this --have had both the Merkels and a so and so...while the Merkel is a very find weapon for the money there is NO comparison to a fine older english gun...IMHO...and NO, I didn't have to do anything to it once it was purchased...

Agree you can tinker with any new gun and that is the great part of getting a new weapon...but what was described at the beginning of this thread that you could not even chamber the round the gun was built for...that is beyond the typical tinkering...

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