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Here is picture my NEF, soon to be, 8ga gun. It weighs 15 lbs. The hollow butt and hollows in the forearm are weighted. It has a neat recoil barrel ring I added so forearm stays put. It has internal brake on barrel that I picture earlier in thread with the porting holes. Second picture is a Lyman 520 gr slug on the right that we are testing . They go in regular 12ga shotcups, and many folks have good accuracy with them, even in smooth bores. They are hollowbase nose-heavy design. These are the ones you cast your own. And there are guys casting some for sale. You see two in wadcups on the right. On the left is my prototype of the Lyman style, of 900gr for our 8GA FH. Going to get a mold made. The base of it will fit the 8ga shotcup used in the kiln gun loads, and the front will be our smoothbore 8ga size, .832-835". I designed this as the flat ended kiln slug without a hollow base and heavy in the front, wasn't designed to give 100yd accuracy in a smoothbore. Ed |