JKS, how many stars did you see after shooting it in the low position? Maybe the Milky-way? I've often let guys shoot my toys anytime somebody asks. Half the time, they don't listen when they try to light one off as they shoot it in a low varmint-bench-position. That's where all the complaints about it recoiling 3-4 times my WinMag comes from. I've heard of some seeing stars hours after shooting big guys and found out later that is was incipient retinal separation. As you say, it takes preparation and will power to take the thumping.